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Minutes, Architectural Review Board Meeting, 11/03/05
1 1 Eastchester Architectural Review Board Meeting 2 November 3, 2005
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5 ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 3, 2005 6
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9 BOARD MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE:
10 Rose Marie Brescia 11 Laura Raffiani Paul Miller 12 Enda McIntyre
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15 EASTCHESTER EMPLOYEES IN ATTENDANCE: 16
17 Town Planner, Margaret Uhle 18 Building Inspector, Jay King Deputy Town Attorney, Louis Reda 19
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23 Dina M. Morgan, Reporter 43 Central Drive 24 Bronxville, New York 10708 914-469-6353 25
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
2 1 EASTCHESTER ARB MEETING - 11/03/05 Meeting called to order by Ms. Brescia. 2 Pledge of Allegiance. 3 Roll call conducted by Ms. Uhle: 4 Ms. Brescia: Present. 5 Ms. Raffiani: Present. Mr. McIntyre: Present. 6 Mr. Miller: Present.
7 Mr. McIntyre: Makes a motion to approve the minutes of the October 6th meeting. 8 Mr. Miller: Seconds motion. 9 (All aye.) 10
11 APPLICATION 05-90, FLIP HAIR SALON
12 Mr. Gish: Matthew Gish, San Signs and Awnings. 13 States they proposed an MDO sign with acrylic letters. Asks Board which way they would like 14 the applicant to go with this particular sign.
15 Ms. Brescia: Explains this is an important corner. States they discussed putting awnings 16 on that building.
17 Mr. Gish: Explains it has to be completely redesigned and re-approached with each of the 18 people that have their businesses in this building. States an awning would be more 19 expensive than the signage they proposed.
20 Ms. Brescia: Asks if he has approached the clients with that. 21 Mr. Gish: States he has approached the clients 22 verbally. Explains there has to be a whole design process that has not been completed as 23 of yet. States his concerns are what if one of the clients or the clients as a whole come back 24 and say they're not interested in putting up awnings in that location. 25 Ms. Brescia: Explains they would like to
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
3 1 EASTCHESTER ARB MEETING - 11/03/05 encourage it. 2 Ms. Uhle: Explains from a planning perspective 3 that intersection is so important and that building is potentially the most attractive 4 building and has the most significant impact with regard to the appearance of that 5 intersection. Feels awnings would make a significant difference. 6 Mr. Gish: Explains there are six store fronts 7 and they only have two clients that have given deposits. Explains the entire building did 8 remove the illegal non-conforming signage that was on the building. Explains a lot of these 9 people do not have signs right now.
10 Ms. Raffiani: Feels keeping the material the same is really important and with an awning you 11 do that.
12 Mr. Gish: Asks if Board is not considering signage at all unless it is an awning. 13 Ms. Brescia: Explains they would like to 14 encourage an awning there.
15 Ms. Uhle: Asks what the cost differential is between the signs proposed and the awning. 16 Mr. Gish: States probably thirty to fifty 17 percent increase in price.
18 Ms. Brescia: Asks if the landlord could help the tenant cover any of that cost. 19 Mr. Gish: Explains that was originally 20 discussed and the landlord decided it is the renter's responsibility to handle their 21 signage. Explains the landlord is interested in making the building look as nice as 22 possible.
23 Ms. Brescia: Feels the sign proposed is fine if it were on another building in another part 24 of town. Feels in this location there needs to be something a little more. 25 Mr. Gish: States he could reach back out to
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
4 1 EASTCHESTER ARB MEETING - 11/03/05 the clients and finalize that and get the 2 design process done and re-apply. Asks if the client does not want an awning will the signage 3 proposed be approved.
4 Ms. Raffiani: Explains whatever is approved for these first two people is setting a 5 precedent and there should be some uniformity within that building. States a concern on this 6 application is it's the only storefront that was painted brown above the brick line. Asks 7 if there is anything going to be done about removing that. 8 Mr. Gish: States that has to be discussed with 9 the landlord and that is not part of the project he is assigned to. 10 Ms. Uhle: Asks if they could bring in 11 something that shows the proposed awning types for the two stores together, Flip Hair Salon 12 and Electrolux, and provide a picture from the corner across the street to show the entire 13 facade. States it would be helpful to show what the building looks like with just the two 14 awnings and then also something that shows it with awnings on the other store fronts so the 15 Board would have something to compare. States she will set up a special meeting as soon as 16 the applicants are ready.
17 Mr. Gish: Asks if that will be for both Flip Hair Salon and Electrolux. 18 Ms. Uhle: States yes. 19 Mr. McIntyre: Discusses the dimension of the 20 sign in relationship to the storefront. Explains it's not to exceed the seventy-five 21 percent rule.
22 Mr. Gish: States the sign is only a hundred and twenty inches long and storefront is 23 significantly larger than that. States sign is about fifty percent of the total frontage of 24 the building.
25 Mr. Miller: Asks if beneath the existing sign is an aluminum fascia.
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
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2 Mr. Gish: States yes. Explains that sign band wraps around the entire building for all six 3 storefronts.
4 Mr. Miller: Asks if new sign will cover that.
5 Mr. Gish: Explains that particular panel is twenty-four to twenty-six inches in height and 6 with the eighteen inch standard it will not get fully covered. 7 Ms. Uhle: Explains the awning would cover that 8 up.
9 APPLICATION 05-93 10
11 Mr. Loheac: Henry Loheac, architect. Explains recently they decided to confront the problem 12 they had with parking and took an adjacent piece of property and tour down the building to 13 create a parking lot. States the parking lot was recently completed and landscaped and they 14 need a sign to discourage people from abusing the right to park on their property. States 15 they are proposing a product made by Azec, the material is basically white and is maintenance 16 free. Shows sample. Explains they are proposing to take a sheet of this material and 17 sandwich it on a framework of four by fours and then with vinyl letters identify the property 18 as parking for 111 Brook Street and have some type of a note stating unauthorized parking 19 will not be permitted. States if Board is not happy with this sign they could do the same 20 cheap sign that the adjacent buildings have and save a lot of money. 21 Mr. McIntyre: Asks what font they are 22 proposing.
23 Mr. Loheac: States helveticus.
24 Mr. McIntyre: Asks if any illumination is proposed for the sign. 25 Mr. Loheac: States no. Explains parking lot
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
6 1 EASTCHESTER ARB MEETING - 11/03/05 is illuminated. Explains parking problem is 2 during the day.
3 Mr. Miller: States he would rather see more of a monument sign. 4 Mr. Loheac: States he prefers this sign. 5 Mr. McIntyre: States he likes the sign 6 proposed.
7 Ms. Brescia: Explains it's not something she would like to see, but it is in an industrial 8 type neighborhood. Feels they would be better off with a standard type sign. 9 Mr. Loheac: Feels no one else cares what their 10 building looks like, they put up cheap signs, they put notes on cars saying that your car 11 will be keyed meanwhile they're parking on town property. Explains his wife has been talking 12 to the town for four years on this and all she gets is double talk. Feels maybe the problem 13 is they don't live in Eastchester.
14 Mr. Miller: Explains applicants usually have a little bit more latitude in their plans, but 15 this is either take it or leave it.
16 Mr. Loheac: Asks what the compromise is.
17 Ms. Brescia: States Board needs to see a second option. 18 Mr. Loheac: States he will put up the cheap 19 metal sign.
20 Ms. Brescia: Asks where he would put that.
21 Ms. Raffiani: Explains he would still have to come for an approval. 22 Ms. Brescia: States she would like to see 23 applicant come back with another option that is more consistent with the other signs around 24 town. Explains she is not disparaging the design of this sign but there's only one 25 option.
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
7 1 EASTCHESTER ARB MEETING - 11/03/05 Mr. Loheac: States he will just put up the 2 cheap sign.
3 Ms. Raffiani: Explains whatever sign goes up needs to be approved by the ARB. 4 Mr. Loheac: Explains there are exempt signs. 5 States he could have a thirty inch by fifty foot sign here. Feels there are other people 6 that seem to get preferential treatment. States he tried to do something he thought was 7 decent and the Board doesn't like it.
8 Ms. Raffiani: Explains not once did she say she did not like this sign. 9 Mr. Loheac: States he could put up a sign that 10 is a hundred and forty-four square inches and there's no application needed. 11 Mr. Miller: Suggests making the bottom leg the 12 same width as the top flat area.
13 Mr. Loheac: States he has no problem doing that. 14 Mr. Miller: Regarding Application 05-93 Board 15 would like to have it go forward subject to the modification which is widening the bottom post 16 to be about fifty percent the width of the sign to align with the flat at the top of the 17 proposal that was given to the Board.
18 Mr. McIntyre: Asks if the exclamation point after the word only has to be there. 19 Mr. Loheac: States that can be removed. 20 States he could show the elevation and do it more in scale so you could see the type face 21 and style.
22 Mr. McIntyre: Asks if that needs to be formally submitted to get the permit. 23 Ms. Uhle: States a revised drawing will need 24 to be submitted to get the permit.
25 Mr. McIntyre: Seconds motion.
DINA M. MORGAN, REPORTER
8 1 EASTCHESTER ARB MEETING - 11/03/05 (All aye.) 2
3 APPLICATION 05-94, AMERICAN EAGLE OUTFITTERS
4 Mr. O'Hare: Chris O'Hare, White Plains Sign. 5 Explains they are proposing three shed awnings over the storefront for American Eagle. Hands 6 Board photo and sample of fabric.
7 Ms. Brescia: Asks if there is any covering on the side. 8 Mr. O'Hare: States they are open ended. 9 States that's in line with all the awnings at that site. 10 |